This might be slightly off topic, but it does involve my solar system and power usage....

Frankly speaking, I have a ghost,,,,power usage that I can not, after many hours with a KAW in hand, find that is using the power....and it's not a couple of watts, I estimate somewhere near 28 watts, which if you do the math over 24 hours...not good...

This is happening, or noticable when I'm running the house on the solar/batteries...everything that is of importance is on the batteries and everything else is unplugged from the wall sockets, hot water heater is disconnected with a DPDT switch, both hot leads physically disconnected, no washer/dryer, yet the EM100B power monitor very slowly shows the meter ticking away watts, theoretically, the meter should stop, and just by weird circumstances on Monday (just enough clouds to allow the GTI to put just enough power towards the grid to stop the meter via the EM100B) I stopped the meter for a full half hour before the sun came completely out again  I kind of proved there was, indeed, a ghost...normally, the ghost will cause the meter to tick to the next space after 1 minute, 34 seconds...Monday, it stopped, cold!

Now, the question is, does the Centronics Smart Meter actually use some of MY power to run? How much a.c. power do the 2 KAW's use that I have in the system for monitoring? I've checked and double check all devices in the house so that I have a real test table, no possible stray users, and the usage goes on...and not irratically...1 minute, 34 second ticks....

I've gone over and over this in my head, trying to think what could possibly be drawing the power, I even thought there may have been a wiring mistake with the apartment next door (duplex apartments), but I personally turned off the main breaker for that apartment with the landlord, after the previous renter moved out, only thing left in the empty apartment was the frig, and it was unplugged from the wall...no change...I am at my wits end...

I would appreciate any input you all could give...thanks...

 

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This is a good one and I am dying to hear what the guys [and gals, come on Denise] have to say on this one. Years ago I had a similar situation and never figured it out.

Have you tried turning off each individual breaker so the only breaker that remains is the mains? Then turn on 1 breaker monitor and see if that breaker is the culprit. This will take a bit of patience and time but you should be able to narrow down which circuit it is. IF i had to guess it might be the heating and air. My unit has a capacitor that needs to keep charged then theres the thermostats that have battery backup but are connected to the power of the heating/air system.

Just a thought

OK, let me get a little deeper into the apartment (itself).....

Where I live, this place is ancient, and is pretty much bare bones, a simple one bedroom apartment, livingroom, small kitchen and bathroom, city water, no pump...that's it...264 square feet...super easy to heat, super easy to cool, just Judy and me (this was a deliberate down size from the 5 bedroom Victorian my ex "had" to have, geez, Bill, wake the f*^& up, will ya!)...I finally did...

OK, sorry, onward, it is heated with a propane wall heater with battery bank driven fan, it runs on a magneto from the passing pilot light gas that produces enough current to switch the battery operated only thermostat on and off with temperature, it is not connected to the house current in anyway, in the winter, if we should get an ice storm (which happened a few years back, way before the solar project), and the power goes out, we will always be warm (and with solar, we will now also have light)...air conditioning is only a window unit, if I choose to put it in, but I've found with the solar attic vent fan I built and the solar screens on all southern windows, a simple box fan in an eastern window keeps the apartment nice and comfortable, even in the 80-90's range......

Now the breaker theory, unfortunately, the way this duplex was designed, both apartment electrical boxes are in my neighbors apartment, which makes it hard to follow Mr. Dias' suggestion....

So, there is is, folks, nothing that can be mistaken for a "oops, I forgot about..." type of deal, I have a finger on everything and the ghost persists..

Anybody else want to take a swing at the ghost?

 

 

I would be suspicious that the breaker box for your apartment is in the neighbors and that someone at some point may have tapped into your power box. It would be pretty easy for someone to run a wire room their box over to yours if it isn't locked. If you unplugged everything and don't have central heating and air that would be the most logical conclusion. I do mean everything is unplugged, stoves, fridges, microwaves, washer, dryer, dishwasher, etc.

Only last idea is if you have smoke detectors they could be plugged into the house power with battery backup.

This is not a far fetched idea of Raymonds. We use to have a duplex we rented out and after one of the tenants suspected his power was being stolen we found he was right. The next door neighbor claimed he knew nothing about it. Who ever did it did a great job of disguising it.

What did the suspected neighbor do for a living? You guessed it, he was an electrician.

Think of items that would be hard wired in and not plugged in. Do you have a door bell. Some of them have a little transformer that is generally hard wire in like some of the smoke detectors are.

One suspect that I have found is newer central heating and air systems. They have small PLC's “computers” in them that are on even when the unit is idle. I haven't measured it with an amp clamp, but it could easily draw that amount of power.  

Sorry, just re-read the earlier post about the wall heater. Never mind. 

Oh my goodness!!!

Mr. Dias has just bumped a memory cell here in my brain, the word "stoves" sent the response signal....many years ago, I had a very VERY dim electric stove oven light on all the time, weither I was cooking or not, I had the landlord get a new stove....all was well for about a week, then the new stove exibited the same trait...angrily, I unplugged the little light inside the stove and said the heck with it, and went on with life...life has changed here as of late....and this was some 5 years ago, I was power usage stupid back then, if the bill was 150 bucks, duhhhhh, ok, pay it...disregarding "how" it reached 150 bucks...

Whatever is causing this issue with the stove, it is obvious it is still happening, it can be the only thief left that I "oops, forgot about"...how could I have forgotten that....

When the daylight comes up, the plug will be removed from the wall socket and we'll see if I chase that ghost away...I don't use the stove anymore anyway, if I can't cook it on the gas grill, a quick run in the microwave, or in a crock pot via the batteries, it don't get cooked...but I am getting pretty darn good at emergency cooking on that grill, you'd be surprised at the lavish dishes I can turn up on the grill...

THANK YOU RAY!

UPDATE:

Nope, the ghost remains with the stove plug out, but thinking logically, why would a brand new stove have issues, similar to the old stove, so I am suspecting it may be in the cable from the breaker box to the socket in the kitchen, or even in the box itself, next step is to have the neighbor turn the stove breakers off....I will update as I go...I'm gonna find this...

Bill, it has been awhile since we talked, but your ghost story is very interesting. Question: you said that the GTI stopped the meter at one point,correct? How much power does the GTI consume while is is waiting for more solar/windpower. Just a thought.

 

Good Luck

 

Larry

If you have 2 of the KAWs...Just plug one into the other and see if there is any power usage for the KAWS... Im gonna bet there is some usage .

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